So Close, Yet So Far Away…. “Missed It By THAT Much…”

So I’m thinking about the lack of evidence for the exodus and Moses and all his glorious stories. The following occurs to me:

 

  • Moses goes up Mount Sinai to take YHWH’s dictation. (read that how you want)
  • Moses comes down with stone tablets with rules on them
  • None of the Israelites are obeying them, so he gets pissed, breaks them and goes back up the mountain
  • Clearly YHWH has to be aware that he’s not the most popular deity in the region
  • He dictates 10 more rules – the first four are about how bad ass he is the rest amount to ‘be good to one another’
  • Moses comes back down and has to tighten ranks to get the people to obey a god that was less than 1.5 miles directly above them the whole time

So even back then, god wasn’t so keen on showing himself. All the proto-Jews could have witnessed god first-hand. Nope, not happening. That spoils things to know things for certain.

Arguably, Paul of Tarsus wrote more of the NT than all the others put together. He never saw Jesus or YHWH. He got his news flash from angels second hand. Yeah that story is a bit iffy. Still off he goes to tell the whole world that he KNOWS Jesus is a man god. He just KNOWS it. Now people use Paul’s writings as if they were evidence of a god.

I’m telling  you this, if YHWH was only 1.4 miles away and would not show himself to his CHOSEN people, then there isn’t much hope that any of the rest of us are ever going to meet this god. In fact it rather much looks like this god never existed at all.

What a sham religion is.

It’s all make believe and people think it feels real. Humans are also notoriously bad eyewitnesses. We know what second hand news and rumor is good for… nothing. That’s all we’ve got from religions, especially the monotheistic ones. They think they know how I should be living but they can’t even give credible evidence for why they think that. It adds up to mostly a Nuremberg defence… I was just following god’s orders.

 

My head hurts… did I miss any good points on that topic?

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  1. One of the interesting things in the story of Moses, is also the type of person he was. He, god’s chosen one, kills a man and hides his body and god then says this is my messenger! Something really shitty with such a god’s brain, if it were to exist that is.

    • Dude, YHWH is fucked in the head! None of the stories in the OT make sense. Thinking of doing a post on sacrificial meat.

      Garden: don’t eat meat, only veggies
      Cain: raises flocks?
      Noah: collects 2 of every ‘kind’ of animal, and when the rain stops, he gets out and sacrifices about half of them to go on a big fire. Where he gets dry wood from is a damn good question and probably why we can’t find his boat. So then god says in his head how tasty the smell of the sacrifice is – god’s barbeque?
      So then he tells Noah that he doesn’t have to eat only plants – well, he killed them all off anyway, so might as well let them eat meat. I suppose he chose fugly animals first… or maybe unicorns (they’re magically delicious).

      Nobody is allowed to eat sacrificial meat.

      Then YHWH says only the purest can eat meat of the sacrifice, nobody else, and so it goes for awhile. (hard times for priests probably prompted this) You’d have thought all those food laws would have been handed out to Noah, but no, bet that bastard had some tasty lobster.

      Anyway, fast forward to the NT and Jesus says: Eat me, I’m a sacrifice! Do it every week!

      Unchanging god? Not so much.

      • The OT is a patchwork of pieces written by some of the very deranged men our race must have produced. They produced such a horrible god and the Muslims coming on later did a poor job at making the god any better!

        Come to think of it, where does the animals Noah sacrificed get their mates? And where does he get fuel for god’s bbq?

        • I bet he burned the boat to roast that many. He probably had lots of dung to fuel it too. Yeah, the mating issue is just one of the many problems with that story. It makes no sense but they teach it to every child they can as if it does. gah!

          • They believe it makes sense that is why they teach it to children. I think most of them have not had occasion to actually think about that story rationally.

            • Oh, they’ve had the time but that would be like questioning and stuff, so they don’t bother because they would then have to think for themselves… gasp

  2. But he didn’t even show himself to Moses. He showed him his ass only. Literally.

    • Yeah I remember that. The only time he revealed himself he mooned us. Nice. That book is just fucked up.

  3. It’s always puzzled me why YHWH couldn’t manifest by an oasis instead atop a mountain: Oasis would have been nice and cool, stuff to eat and drink, far easy on the bones of an octogenarian.
    Why does the god of the Jews,Christians and Muslim have to make it so damn difficult for his worshippers every bloody step of the way?

    • Now you’re thinking like an atheist – lets have this meeting at the bar!
      If it’s not difficult then it can’t be a true god, gods don’t fraternize… that’s only in the cartoons.

    • chialphagirl
    • September 25th, 2013

    Just some Biblical nuance, you may or may not care about: God did show himself to the people first (about 2 mil at once) and they were terrified and begged him to only talk to Moses instead. (Exodus 20). And Paul does claim to have met Christ. Christ appears to him on the road to Damascus (This is in Acts) and this appearance is the cause for his conversion.

    • 9 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples.(B) He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus,(C) so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way,(D) whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.(E) 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice(F) say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

      5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

      “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”(G)

      7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound(H) but did not see anyone.(I) 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing.(J) So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

      So where does it say he saw jesus? He was blinded and fell to the ground. You missed on the 2 million people part too

      18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet(AE) and saw the mountain in smoke,(AF) they trembled with fear.(AG) They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak(AH) to us or we will die.”(AI)

      20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid.(AJ) God has come to test(AK) you, so that the fear(AL) of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”(AM)

      21 The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness(AN) where God was.

      At best god invited up aaron, yet not one person is told to have seen god. So what nuances were you trying to point out? My interpretation was accurate enough.

    • Matthew Chiglinsky
    • September 25th, 2013

    The pagan religions were always worshiping materialism: shiny objects, sex, and probably drugs too. Those are the false gods that the real “God” is jealous of. Often, the good religious people would also go astray and fall into these unhealthy practices.

    It’s all just a big allegory to an intelligent person.

    Worshiping sex, drugs, and material possessions in general has a tendency to destroy a person’s life or at best take all meaning out of life and make a person feel worthless and depressed. That’s just common-sense philosophy. Religion was invented in order to teach this principle to people who weren’t intelligent enough to understand that, but some people were so stupid that they took it too far and piled mountains of superstition on top of it.

    Are you intelligent enough to differentiate other people’s stupidity from your own arrogance and see the truth that lies in between?

    “The Matrix” is not real, but the symbolism can inspire you to think about the concept of authority, control, freedom, and anarchism. I read the “Bible” the same way I watch a movie.

    • Arrogance and stupidity are soft concepts. If you choose to take the bible as allegory, how can you trust any of it to be truth. If it is allegory there is no reason to think that god exists at all… which basically makes the book useless except as some long boring stupid story that pretends to have moral codes of value in it.

    • chialphagirl
    • September 25th, 2013

    you said “All the proto-Jews could have witnessed god first-hand. Nope, not happening.” They had witnessed a manifestation they associated with God first had which is what prompted them to say “do not have God speak to us.”

    As to Paul:
    you said “He never saw Jesus or YHWH. He got his news flash from angels second hand.” And yes, he did not “see” Jesus but heard him and knew it was him which is essentially the same and not at all an experience with an angel.

    The way you phrased things did not seem technical so I did not take it as such. Yes, the jews did not “technically” witness God, but they experience something of him that made them not want any more. And yes, paul did not “technically” see Jesus but he did encounter and hear him.

    • You do understand the problem with nobody seeing god, right?

      Despite apparently being in close proximity not one person can witness that they have seen this god, that this god exists – except for Moses who only saw god’s ass and whom is thought to not have been there at all as there is no evidence for the exodus.

      It’s a story, no reason to think it any more than that. Saul had a personal experience which is not corroborated even in the bible so even to the people in the story, Saul’s revelation is anecdotal. Yes, other parts seem to corroborate it yet god missed his chance (again) to show that he actually exists and is not the twisted delusion of a single person.

      Why does god not want to be seen? Why must the omnipotent creator of all existence appear as a frightful thing or as a cause for blinding a person. Why must this god remain unnamed and unseen?

      I’ll give you a clue – it makes it easier to tell the story of an unequalled being, for if you could describe it, it can be compared to other things and then you don’t have a story any more. That’s only important when you’re telling a story about a being that does not exist.

      An omnipotent and omniscient being could easily assume any form and show himself to his chosen people. He didn’t because he doesn’t exist.

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