YOU Are An Ape

You will live barely 80 years, and will die of an incurable disease most likely. We hairless apes would know nothing had it not been for those that came before us and shared their knowledge. We are, on our own, stupid apes that barely qualify as being more civilized than wild animals. If it were not for those that came before. We apes rely on what has come before, not testing it for ourselves. The few of us who do know the ugly truth of existence. The rest believe in gods and things for which there is no evidence. They reject the only thing that works. They spell our doom.

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  1. naked apes we are!

    • Yes, we are… and I’m pretty happy about that actually.

    • Is that all there is, is that all there is
      If that’s all there is my friends, then let’s keep dancing
      Let’s break out the booze and have a ball
      If that’s all there is

      Cheers!

      • You ask if that is all there is as if you were expecting more wonderment than this little party offers…

        • It is a bit dull here lol

          • Remember that there is an ancient Chinese proverb that can be used as a curse: May you live in interesting times.

            • Wisdom is attained by learning when to hold one’s tongue.

              • Do you realize how strangely people on the bus look at you if you sit there holding your tongue? You might as well have just been punching yourself in the ear.

                • 🙂

  2. Just because we are animals that evolved from ape-like ancestors does not make us apes. An objective look at the facts will tell you that there is a world of difference between the other primates and us. Concepts, language, domestication of species, technological development, population growth, free will, etc.

    Biologically, humans are primates, but we can’t be treated in most thought as akin to chimps.

    • You say we are more advanced than other primates. What is the use of language? Is it to communicate? If yes, why would you think the other primates or other brutes don’t communicate with one another or must language be rendered in human terms for communication?
      On free will I will come back to you once I read the paper linked in your post.

      • J_Agathokles
      • May 21st, 2013

      Looking at cladistics, modern humans are a subset of the hominins, which is a subset of the apes, which is a subset of Old World Monkeys, which is a subset of monkeys, which is a subset of primates, which is a subset of mammals, which is a subset of vertebrates, which is a subset of animals. This means we are all those things. So yes, we are apes. And a lot of human behaviour has been observed in primates, like syntax. Some monkeys adapt the order in which certain sounds are made when alerting others to danger, to further specify they danger. So the order of the sounds creates additional meaning. Chimps have been observed using tools, and even advanced tools – which means they use tools like stones and sticks to make other tools they couldn’t otherwise make. Such behaviour has also been observed in corvids by the way. In the end humans are unique only in the specific set of properties that make us us. All these characteristics also exist elsewhere in the animal kingdom, even if you only count currently living species.

    • You do fine by asserting that humans have free will but without defining it you cannot logically assume that animals do not have free will. I suggest that the mechanisms which provide us hairless apes with free will is present and active in all mammals. If pushed I’d wager that it is present in at least all vertebrates if not all animals with a nervous system and a brain larger than some value X wherein free will and consciousness emerge.

      Language is a point you clearly went clueless. Animals communicate but not like humans. Some communicate over miles. This opposable thumb thing is pretty handy. I wonder what some other animals might be able to do if they had them… might they build machines? Population growth is not a positive point for a species as much as it is a point against its natural predators. We do get points for eliminating natural predators but this does not necessarily bode well for us.

  3. Your post brings to mind these two quotes:

    “Isaac Newton famously remarked that he stood on the shoulders of giants. For most innovators in most places at most times in human history, a different metaphor is closer to the truth. Even the greatest human innovators are, in the great scheme of things, midgets standing on the shoulders of a vast pyramid of other midgets.”

    —Peter J. Richerson and Robert Boyd, /Not By Genes Alone: How Culture Transformed Human Evolution/

    “No gods, no life after death, no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no human free will – are all deeply connected to an evolutionary perspective. You’re here today and you’re gone tomorrow, and that’s all there is to it.”

    —William B. Provine

    • thedreamingsub
    • May 23rd, 2013

    Hello.

    • Hey, how are you dear? Good I hope.

        • thedreamingsub
        • May 23rd, 2013

        I’ve been better. I’ve been worse. I’m keeping my head on straight and taking care of life. I’m OK. And you?

        • Work is letting up a bit, but still very busy. Like most of us, I’m keeping it together, getting a few things done every day.. steady progress is a win in my book, even if the actual progress is small each day

  4. OOK!

    • Thanks for commenting. Yes, that was a kind of bare bones thought 🙂

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