God Smokes Cigars … And Drinks Scotch

Thought experiment 13741

Since the instant of the big bang the universe we know has existed, energy dissipating into a medium. The fabric of space is how we can think of that medium. Time. It exists only in the eyes of the observer for it is the dissipation of energy into the medium or rather the observance of that process. To observe the process from inside the process means that you are trapped in the time that you observe. Energy decays to become matter. Matter becomes life. Life becomes thought. Ordered chaos becomes quiescent stillness when time runs out.

Again an explosion and it happens all over again. A fiery explosion followed by decay, life, thought, stillness. As time runs out god holds the match up to his face and blows… whoooosh  Time stops. He stubs the spent match in the ash tray, puffs on the cigar. Then he leans forward and tells the bartender that he’d like another scotch.

Drawing hard on his cigar as he rolls it over one way then back the other, another universe pops into existence only to be extinguished before another glass of scotch is poured.

Perhaps there is a god, but it is just as likely that he cares more for 25 year old scotch than he cares for you.

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    • stace8383
    • October 4th, 2012

    I hope god is gluten intolerant and all that scotch makes him sick. 😛

    • With a god so indifferent to this universe, I don’t give a damn what he does… it’s not like such a god has actually done anything to me. He just happens to be the guy who lit a match to light his smoke with a scotch. Hard to be mad a that.

  1. Why does god ‘care’? The word ‘care’ is an emotion, to put such a thing in god is to say that it feels. If there is a god, would it feel? If it does, i doubt it would feel on a level with which we can relate to.

    Maybe the universe works the way it does, because it has to? If everyone had their prayers answered, if god was a proven fact, would that really be a better reality than the one we are in now? Life seems to thrive on the balance between good and bad. There is no such thing as one without the other. Life, whether there is such a thing as god or not, is a test. What that test means, if it even means anything, i dont know.

    • This thought experiment is about there being no meaning to life, that the universe exists because it must and if there is a being who could be thought of as god, that being as as likely to not care at all or even be aware of our existence if not more so than he is to know of our existence and answer prayers.

      A test presupposes a score. Who is keeping score?

      • Personally i find it hard to believe that there isnt a purpose for everything being the way it is, having happened how it has and so on. You keep referencing god with words like ‘care’ and specifically ‘he’. I dont believe in a god that answers my prayers, without any action on my part, i cant as things stand believe in that kind of god. If there is a god, my feeling on it is that it is unknowable to us, we would be too limited as we are to understand it. Answering prayers seems too ……. human, its what we want to hear, we want to believe that we are not alone and that there’s someone watching over us, so i think possibly the big root in that kind of god in our thoughts may be down to just that, wanting a god that we can relate to, as opposed to some ‘alien’ god that we cannot relate to.

        As to who is keeping score in regards to life being a test, well, firstly the individual should be keeping score so to speak. I know that i myself, try to be strong in life, do whats right even if i stand alone. Beyond that, those that your actions affect keep score. How you treat people, how you live your life, how you open your heart and so on affects you in a direct way. What about how you impact the life of someone that you will never meet again, or never even meet in the first place? Say you do something for someone that you wont see again or never saw. Your actions will impact their lives, and those around them. So, when you weave everything together, everyone’s actions on earth, it affects us all. The very fact that not everyone does good, the fact that most blindly follow shows through in society, through politics and so on. Therefore making it more difficult to be strong and do whats right. Standing as part of the few or worse, alone, is a lot harder than standing with the many. Thats for sure been a big test in my life, standing alone, as my identity has outcast me from others in many cases.

        Are we judged after death by a higher being? I dont know. But i do know whats feels right to me, i know that i am tested daily due to being an individual, society often doesn’t open its arms for such a person. Maybe i am being tested by predetermined events and experiences, maybe it is all just random. Whatever is keeping score, i know that i keep score for myself and that’s enough to keep me strong.

        • It sounds to me like you are a deist. I don’t think there is any difference between a deist and an atheist. The deist may think that there is some being out there that is somehow responsible for everything, but none of the deists ideology sounds like it is any different than if there were no gods at all.

          “Personally i find it hard to believe that there isnt a purpose for everything being the way it is, having happened how it has and so on. ”

          This is an argument from ignorance. I can’t imagine X…. so this other thing must be true.

          “You keep referencing god with words like ‘care’ and specifically ‘he’. I dont believe in a god that answers my prayers, without any action on my part, i cant as things stand believe in that kind of god.”

          If the action is on your part, why would an answered prayer do anything? Are you simply asking for the strength to complete a task that you are already in the process of? Are you asking for help finding your keys?

          ” If there is a god, my feeling on it is that it is unknowable to us, we would be too limited as we are to understand it.”

          Now you say ‘if’ and that your feelings are… this is not knowledge, it’s a guess. A guess that there is a god but that god doesn’t do anything to make it look like there is a god.

          ” Answering prayers seems too ……. human, its what we want to hear, we want to believe that we are not alone and that there’s someone watching over us, so i think possibly the big root in that kind of god in our thoughts may be down to just that, wanting a god that we can relate to, as opposed to some ‘alien’ god that we cannot relate to.”

          I never suggested there is a god we can relate to, only that our existence is not planned, nor tended by a god. Your description of a god is little different.

          “As to who is keeping score in regards to life being a test, well, firstly the individual should be keeping score so to speak. I know that i myself, try to be strong in life, do whats right even if i stand alone.
          Beyond that, those that your actions affect keep score. How you treat people, how you live your life, how you open your heart and so on affects you in a direct way. What about how you impact the life of someone that you will never meet again, or never even meet in the first place? Say you do something for someone that you wont see again or never saw. Your actions will impact their lives, and those around them. So, when you weave everything together, everyone’s actions on earth, it affects us all. The very fact that not everyone does good, the fact that most blindly follow shows through in society, through politics and so on. Therefore making it more difficult to be strong and do whats right. Standing as part of the few or worse, alone, is a lot harder than standing with the many. Thats for sure been a big test in my life, standing alone, as my identity has outcast me from others in many cases.”

          Nothing in this implies a god. Nothing in this implies meaning. Nothing in this implies purpose or definition. This is all about being an ape among many. Whatever your identity is that it outcast you from the others, trust me, you are not alone. I and many others have lived the entirety of our lives ‘alone’ in the world with not one person to talk to. This humble scourge of society called the Internet has been a refuge for many who live ‘alone’ as you claim to. Nothing in that implies the need nor even the hint that there is a god.

          “Are we judged after death by a higher being? I dont know. But i do know whats feels right to me, i know that i am tested daily due to being an individual, society often doesn’t open its arms for such a person.”

          That you can imagine a thing or situation does not make it true. We all feel better if we can say we are on a quest, that there is some purpose to life, that we are not simply accidents that left us one ape among billions of apes and that we have no purpose except to survive long enough to procreate. If it makes you feel better, go ahead, imagine you are on a quest. I find no need for a quest or meaning. To me, it means exactly what I want it to. I ride all the rides here for free and every damn one of them is good. Some have scared the fucking shit out of me. I didn’t think I’d live through some of them, and sometimes, damnit, sometimes I simply wanted to get off this ride, quit, and go home…. So far, looking back, every ride was good in hindsight. Whether I chose to get on the ride or not, they were all good in some way as I see them with hindsight. Sometimes my dog will look me in the eye and have that sort of “I know exactly what you’re feeling” look on his face and it makes me realize that yes, the rides were all good.

          ” Maybe i am being tested by predetermined events and experiences, maybe it is all just random. Whatever is keeping score, i know that i keep score for myself and that’s enough to keep me strong.”

          This makes you one of the good apes, one of the apes that make the rides good even when many of them scare us all shitless. There are no gods, no park rangers, no security teams…. it’s just us and the rides and everyone rides alone though many feel that they ride with friends, those friends won’t be on every ride. We came into the park alone and we’ll leave it alone. There is no meaning beyond what you can conjure up out of your own brain about each of the rides. There is no guide, no hand book, no entertainment weekly review. Every ride is different, every ride is new. they just exist without a designer. They are experience.

          I can see no difference between your descriptions and no god at all.

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