Christ The Assassin

It seems that every day some wack-job believer does something even crazier than I could hope for. I kind of enjoy them getting attention when the act out their delusions. It really puts some perspective on the situation for all of us.

Over at FreethoughtBlogs En Tequila Es Verdad has a post which is commentary on a post by This Week In Christian Nationalism about a women’s prayer group that has announced that they are praying daily for the women who work with Military Religious Freedom Foundation and all their female relatives to contract virulent breast cancer which is incapable of being cured.

YES, you read that correctly.

They are praying for the death of these women. They are asking their god to kill these women. They are not asking what their god’s will is in regard to these women, they are simply asking their god to kill them in the nastiest way they can think of. This IS homicidal intent and should be punished. We can say it is homicidal intent because these women believe that

Our prayer circle has never failed to acheive our hosts granting of the scripture we pray. for direct intervention against you as you are a true demon to America. Luke 9:1 We will not stop our prayers until you stop the evil you do with Lucifer on a daly basis. Luke 9:1 …   … Now for our prayer, we pray that the women who work in your MFRR and the women in your family will befall fast moving breast cancer which can not everbe cured.

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know that we pray and pray hard all the days until you stop your destruction of our American army and accept Christ Jesus as Lord and join His army.

Go read the linked posts as well. I won’t post pictures that are already there.

For those who have been following my Hitler posts, notice that these women believe themselves to be Christians of good standing.

For all those reading who are Christian, what do you think, are these women really Christians? Can you tell? How can we tell if they are or not when they claim not only to be Christians but in immediate contact with god and further that he always answers their prayers?

Let us know in the comments.

UPDATE

I think these women in the prayer circle are exactly what the Christian Bible calls them to be, despite the Hindu, Buddhist, and Greek influences found in the New Testament. I should probably do a separate post on this because I do think these prayer circle women are Christians and they interpret their Bible literally or close to it. They are doing what their good book says. Kill the witches, unruly children, those that work on the Sabbath, homosexuals etc. Their god gave them plenty of examples of why it’s perfectly acceptable to murder anyone that doesn’t believe like they do.  Those Christians who think that their Bible does not encourage that are either ignorant of their holy text or are ignoring parts of it (and in doing so creating their own religion).

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    • Joe ‘Blondie’ Manco
    • May 2nd, 2012

    At least it will be another good case study for the efficacy of prayer.

    • LOL, yeah… sadly, if any of them are diagnosed with breast cancer these ‘good Christians’ will consider it a win. I suspect this is why that also included all female relatives. When you define what it means that your prayers are answered to mean what you want, then it’s easy to claim that your prayers were answered.

      I just hope that someone will print some Christ The Assassin tee-shirts 🙂

  1. Thats sad and sickening.Most Christians wonder why they are hated so much when they are clueless and do stupid things
    And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

  2. I think that the Hitch was right. The most certain way to convert a believer to atheist is to make sure they read their holy text. To live by what it says will make you a howling lunatic with extremely bad manners.

    • … and I guess those women are exactly that.

  3. The way I look at it, the Bible isn’t the Holy Word of God; it’s just a book. That means that there is no “correct” interpretation. There’s just however Christians interpret it. You’re quite right that, whatever they say they do, Christians do use the Bible selectively. They have to, because it isn’t a consistent text.

    In practice, what matters is what Christians do, and the teachings of the church. The actions of these crazies are so at variance with the teachings of the church, and the beliefs of most Christians, that it’s a distortion to say, “Ha! This is what Christians are really like.” Most Christians would be horrified by this. I know I would have been.

    Besides which, in the New Testament, there’s little which can be interpreted this horrifically, and it’s quite at odds with what Christians believe Jesus taught.

    I do believe this is a warning against believing the Bible is consistent, infallible, and literal, because then you could believe anything.

    But to use the behaviour of these crazies to attack Christianity at large is to set up a straw man.

    • Nobody has to use these crazies to attack anything. They are destroying any useful reputation that Christianity/theism has remaining all on their own. Who wants to join a club which contains these women or which supports such actions?

      • That’s why the club has to split into so many sub-clubs. But my point is, those women are not in the club in any meaningful way.

        • Perhaps I’m being pedantic, but what gives a sub-club meaningful participation? Membership numbers? Time since creation of the sub-club? What are the criteria for meaningful membership? Does tax break status establish meaningful membership? This is an interesting question 🙂 Thanks

    • Apollodorosh
    • May 3rd, 2012

    You know, it’s really quite peculiar how those Christians in America are complaining about being persecuted, and yet they do so many things that actually would justify persecuting them >.>

    • I agree completely

  4. The “love”…. it burns! 🙂

    • Yeah, lots of love in there LOL

    • J_Agathokles
    • November 13th, 2012

    Well, you should tell them that, being females, they should shut the fuck up and get back to their hearths, slaving away for their husbands, and mass-producing his babies. The Bible is very clear that any decent, Christian women, should not speak in public, unless spoken to, let alone speak her opinion. I don’t know the specific verses, you’ll have to look that up. i think there’s a verse in Timothy or something.

    • Indeed there is, and one might argue that this sort of prayer circle is witchcraft – suffer not a witch to live is what the good book says. Hmmm

  5. Hello…After reading your post, I feel intrigued to join the discussion.
    I’m coming from the perspecitive of a Christian female.

    My initial reaction to your post was horror about the women’s prayer group you mentioned. I immediately viewed the links you provided and it didn’t appear to take me to any blog or site belonging to these women. It only took me to someone’s blog who posted about them. I am, therefore, somewhat skeptical of whether it is true or not.

    Having said that…if it is indeed true, which is entirely possible, I’d like to answer your questions:
    1. For all those reading who are Christian, what do you think, are these women really Christians?
    **I cannot judge whether or not someone has accepted Christ as their savior. However, I can say Jesus Christ would never encourage or condone such hypocritic and hateful prayer.

    2. Can you tell? How can we tell if they are or not when they claim not only to be Christians but in immediate contact with god and further that he always answers their prayers?
    **Anyone who prays has access to God. (this is not the same as salvation) I do not believe God always answers their prayers any more than He answers anyone else’s prayers. Jesus Christ was a man on a radical mission -He wanted to eradicate racism, abuse, cheating, etc. He promoted Love, Honesty, Women’s Rights (I believe the comments from J_Agathokles -above -are taken out of context from the Old Testament).

    Your comment about “doing what the good book says -killing witches etc” makes me very sad. It’s true there is considerable hypocrisy within the Christian faith and much harm has been done because of it. However, I don’t know why Christians who stray from God’s word should discredit Christianity entirely any more than a bad doctor should discredit the entire medical community.

    I appreciate and respect your perspective and the questions you raise. Thanks for indulging my lengthy response.

    • Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Always glad to have new followers.

      First, this looks like the source: http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2012/04/mrff-press-release-womens-prayer-group-give-them-breast-cancer-in-jesus-name/

      While you might like to think that Jesus would never encourage this sort of behavior, the story of his work leaves a lot to be desired. He could have called for an end to slavery or erased that bit about killing witches, or perhaps that women should be equal. He might have stopped this believing in demons and exorcisms, perhaps gave us a new set of rules for food and cleanliness or even just stopped the stupid medical advice from the OT. There is so much he could have done but did not, and lets face it, his dad was a murderous, vindictive sod. Further, you cannot know the mind of god so it would be difficult for you to know what he would never do.

      You’ll admit that one cannot tell if a self proclaimed Christian is right with god. Just look what Joshua did and the story says he was practically god’s BFF. The point is that no one else can tell, they can only judge by their own moral barometer. The more of these crazies that are found, some worse than others, the more it taints the whole group of folk that claim the same beliefs. The number of doctors who go ‘off the rails’ is a very small portion and so it is that one bad apple does not spoil the whole barrel. Almost all the bad ones are weeded out in school, but there is no such thing for your average Christian. Right or wrong, that is what happens. Even the bible says: 1 Corinthians 15:33 says “Do not be deceived, ‘bad company corrupts good morals.” I Thessalonians 5:21, 22 tells us to “Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.”

      If this group was the only incident in dozens of years, your sentiment would be right in my view. The trouble is that almost every week is a new story about some believer going crazy, raping a teen, molesting young boys, stealing the offerings, child pornography, gay rent boys, and on and on. People tend to group birds of a feather together. The other problem is that there is no effort to stop these things from being repeated so there is no reason to think it will ever stop. The passive, loving grandma sitting in pew three (on the left side) who gives in her money each week is supporting the very structure and weak people that turn out the cruft and offensive, immoral behaviors. None have stood up and said ‘no more’ we must take precautions, check backgrounds, vet the preachers. So, sad as you may find it, it will continue to be a big bucket of tar and a huge brush to apply it.

      • Thanks for providing the other link. It is incredibly disturbing, to say the least.
        I agree with what you say about believers raping, stealing, abusing etc and I do not condone this or justify it in any way shape or form. I am curious, though, have you considered that those in other religions (and atheists) do the very same thing? I believe this to be human behavior, not Christian behavior.
        Also, I am confused about why you seem so angry that some have chosen Christianity?
        It is always interesting to me to hear other perspectives, and I appreciate yours. In the end, I suppose you and I will probably just agree to disagree.

        • Agree to disagree on what?
          I’m more familiar with Christianity. It’s shoved in my face 24/7 everywhere I go. Jewish bigotry is a special sort. Have see the glasses they have to avoid seeing female skin? Shooting young girls in the head? Putting a price on an author’s head? I could go on for a long time. It’s not Christianity but monotheism where I see the wrongs. I just end up reading and writing more about Christianity.

          If only it was a religion of peace. If only “god’s chosen people” acted worthy of the title. If only Christians were Christ like… But none of them are, or at least too few. There aren’t any polytheists burning buildings from Aphrodite nor Wiccan’s blowing themselves up in a crowded market.

          The concepts of monotheistic belief drive our little brains in twisted ways that cause us this grief. Tradition and ceremony are good in their way, believe what you want, just keep it private … okay? Don’t teach my kids your fairy tales and don’t try to encode your religious beliefs into the laws that affect my life.

          It’s this pushy ‘you must believe or be punished’ theology that causes the problems. That is what makes me angry. The believer is told they must convert those non-believers or they will go to hell. This is not human, it’s not even moral thought. It’s a divine edict to drive out all those that do not believe. Sure, moderate believers will be less like this, but they still will denigrate those that don’t act like a believer. So society will persist to demonize and castigate those that are not believers as long as religion gets its way.

          I think your analysis is flawed. There is so much monotheism about, it permeates our societies. To say that being crazy like this is human behavior without study is lazy. How many crazies were religious? How many were not? What part did the theologies of heaven and hell play in their actions? Before you dismiss behaviors as just being crazy lets analyze to see what thought patterns were in play to cause a human to get that far off the path.

          Even moderate believers work against society’s best interests when they promote belief over science and sound medical advice. Sex eduction works, abstinence does not. Birth control is not the government’s call, nor is abortion, or drugs etc. Religion won’t allow that or resists all attempts to allow ‘immoral’ behavior by working to control governments. A believer does not need laws to act morally in accordance with their religion – so why do we need abortion laws etc.

          I know you don’t see it the same way as I do, but if you think about it you’ll see I’m only telling the truth.

          • It’s obvious you are very passionate about this subject. Your arguements show you are also very intelligent. I believe you are speaking truth to me. I would hope you might accept that I, too, am speaking my own truth even though we disagree.

            You think my analysis is flawed, and I think yours is flawed. This is why I said we will just need to agree to disagree.

            I don’t feel any need to change your mind or convert you. I was simply interested in learning more about your perspective and viewpoint. I am always open to new ideas -it helps me grow.

            • Its good to have folk around with different ideas who are willing to talk. Stick around, I don’t bite. I think my viewpoint is a little bit different than most atheists that I hear about/from.

              • Yes, civilized discussion with others who have different ideas is refreshing. I may pop in again one day…thanks for the invite. 😉

                • You are most welcome. See you soon then.

  6. “I think these women in the prayer circle are exactly what the Christian Bible calls them to be”

    Jesus says “love your neighbor”. These people clearly are not. Also Jesus, and the writers who followed him after the cross NEVER say “Kill the witches, unruly children, those that work on the Sabbath, homosexuals etc”. The constant call on believers is to love and do good to all. If only.

    • Some of the trouble happens because Jesus did not invalidate the old law, simply saying that he came to fulfil the law. You’ll note that the ten commandments are not in the NT and and Jesus reiterated the idea that prayer works. He took demons from a person and put them in pigs. He did many things that support the wackiness of the OT and never said the OT is bad… for instance, he never said that women are equal, that black is not the mark of Cane, that slavery is bad and so on. The good stuff that Jesus is supposed to have said is available to us from previous religions and thought and in being so does not require the baggage and dogma of religion. While you may hold that the Jesus story is a new covenant, it is not borne out in scripture.

      Jesus was in essence a Marxist with the clear call that while everyone is equal they are all broken and in need of redemption from him. The logic and reason failures in the bible are many… too many for a single reply. These women are exactly what the bible calls for. Where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am with them – this comes from Mathew. So it requires no more than an incantation and he will be there. He is there with these assassins and he ‘does’ answer prayer… right? It’s a problem for those that believe in Jesus.

      • How do you understand the word “fulfill”?

        • Complete, and in the context used, it was to fulfil prophecy of the old law. Never did the Christ say the old law was deprecated.

          For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. – Mathew 5:18

          Earth still exists – the old law stands according to the Christ.

          • In what sense then did Christ fulfill or complete the OT law?

            • There is that whole Nazarene thing which led to the town of Nazareth controversy and so forth. The Christ was meant to be a Nazarene. There is more but I hardly feel like teaching you about your book. Mathew 5:17
              Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

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