No Gods Needed… Trust Me On This

Below is a video that … Well, let me say this: Open it up to Youtube, grab a beverage, click HD, click full screen, turn up the volume, sit back and watch what tireless effort by human apes has done. No gods did this… human apes did. Think about that. For all that gods are claimed to be, none of them did this or even helped us human apes do it. We did it alone, on our own, No Gods Needed….

Enjoy

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    • Apollodorosh
    • April 29th, 2012

    It’s a beautifull video which I much enjoyed, allthough I am unsure as to why you feel what is shown in it precludes the necessity for the Gods? In everything I saw, and heard, in this video, I could see the Divinity of it all. So I’m not too sure about why it would make the point you claim it makes.

    • By showing that there is no need for gods, we can add this to the lack of proof for gods, and without needs for gods or evidence of gods there is no reason to think there are gods. Any claim of divinity or evidence of gods really does need evidence. ‘oh, look at the vast universe’ is not evidence of gods. “It’s so big and vast that a god must have created it” is nothing more than an argument from ignorance.

    • Apollodorosh
    • April 29th, 2012

    myatheistlife :

    By showing that there is no need for gods, we can add this to the lack of proof for gods, and without needs for gods or evidence of gods there is no reason to think there are gods. Any claim of divinity or evidence of gods really does need evidence. ‘oh, look at the vast universe’ is not evidence of gods. “It’s so big and vast that a god must have created it” is nothing more than an argument from ignorance.

    Well, obviously the idea of an external creator is erroneous. In the Hellenic worldview the kósmos arose in and of itself, and is complete and perfect in every way (which doe snot necessarily have to be what we mortals would consider “perfect”), it is all-containing. If it had indeed been created by an external creator then it could not be complete or perfect, as it would not contain this creator, who would have existed outside of it for an impossible amount of time (or otherwise just “poofed” into existence, which seems equally preposterous.

    The Gods came forth from the kósmos, and the various forces and objects came forth from them, this is an emanationist aspect of the Hellenic religion.

    • Actually, no, the idea of an external creator is not obvious. There is in fact good argument for why it is more probable that we live in a simulation than in an actual real physical created universe. The problem of a simulation goes well against your assertions. There is no proof either way, yet, but the argument for a simulated universe is reasonable in light of the current set of unknowns.

      Creation itself is problematic. See my post “Big Splash, Not Big Bang” for a possible reason that the universe might be the way it is. It is no more wrong than gods or the big bang. Likewise, it’s no more right either. The point is not that I think I know how the universe came to be but that I can imagine many ways that it might have. All that is left is to find facts and see what they lead to. I do not have a closed mind on the topic, in fact, far from it.

      It remains true that regardless of the formation of the universe there are no credible evidences for the existence of gods, deities of any kind, ghosts, evil etc.

      Without evidence, positing the existence of such things is just wishful thinking.

    • Apollodorosh
    • April 29th, 2012

    myatheistlife :

    Actually, no, the idea of an external creator is not obvious.
    Without evidence, positing the existence of such things is just wishful thinking.

    I believe that is what I said…

    • Admittedly I was in a bit of a hurry earlier and may have misread your post. I’d say more but I’m saving it for a reply to your other comment.

    • Apollodorosh
    • April 29th, 2012

    myatheistlife :

    It remains true that regardless of the formation of the universe there are no credible evidences for the existence of gods, deities of any kind, ghosts, evil etc.
    Without evidence, positing the existence of such things is just wishful thinking.

    Well, personally I hope such evidence is never discovered, and would prefer this to be undiscoverable. If the existence of the Gods were ever scientifically proven, that would mean there would indeed be “one true way” as the abrahamics always claim (despite the fact that such hypothetical evidence might indicate a “one true way” that completely disproves the Abrahamic monotheism). And such a thought I find abhorrent.

  1. I can understand the sentiment you express here, and also that it is an alien thought to most believers, no matter their sect. I think that as I tried to point out in this post, I am inspired and even awestruck by what human kind have discovered on their own. Whether we will ever know of gods as fact or not is irrelevant. What we have discovered and have yet to discover is more than enough to inspire a good life and give us pause to find meaning in this life for ourselves.

      • Apollodorosh
      • April 30th, 2012

      Indeed this world and universe it exists in is beautifull enough for all to find spiritual satisfaction, whether this be by seeing the Divine in everything (in whatever shape one sees the Divine), or whether this be through the beauty of the Laws of Nature working on the world while one doesn’t believe in anything Divine 🙂 It is all so miraculous and precious that it could inspire everyone to live a good life and find meaning to life, despite humankinds apparent tendency to destroy it’s own environment in blind ignorance of it all :-/

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