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God And Anger. BFF?

You have to admire it when scientists do cool things, and they DO do COOL things. TheRawStory.com version of this bit of news links to ‘Can picking the right religion relieve anxiety‘ news and to a little NCBI paper about evolutionary threat assessment systems in the brain. You know I have an interest in the human brain, so I had to read.

Some guy (Marymount Manhattan College Assistant Psychology Professor Nava Silton) decided to look into whether god belief was related to anger in some way. Not just any particular way, but in _some_ way. So he went and got some data (like you do) from 2010 Baylor Religion Survey of US Adults to see if there is any kind of link or correlation between mental illness and god belief.

Hang on, I know what you’re thinking OMG, proof!

Not quite. What he did conclude though is pretty … well, here, you figure it out:

People who believe in an angry, punishing God are much more likely to suffer from a variety of mental illnesses, a scientific study published in the April edition ofJournal of Religion & Health finds.

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God and Anger. BFF?

 

The study seems to conclude that the data doesn’t show a causal link but it does show that there are a lot of mentally ill folk who like to think of god as an angry vengeful type god, throw in some genocide and a bit of destroyer of worlds and you get the idea. As might be concluded, this also helps confirm that those who are not mentally unbalanced tend to view god as all nice and fluffy and white and loving – like Timothy Leary in a really cool toga.

The theory of mind that I’m working with here states that we use rules to create a simulation of the world around us in our minds and that simulation is in fact how we experience the world. It follows (somewhat logically) that if the machinery that is used to create this simulation is faulty, the simulation would in fact also be faulty. I didn’t say the logic was perfect so bear with me here.

Some folk see things in black and white, no grey. Some see only the rainbow (damn you skittles). Some see things without a particular reliance on one limited set of crayons. If a person’s rule set gives more weight to black and white clear cut values we can imagine how this would favor vengeance rather than tolerance, absolutes values rather than subjective values and so on. This would not require full childhood onset dementia, rather it would only require enough of a skewing to set the weighting wrong on the rules sets for the simulation in order to make that simulation favor a vengeful god of objective moral values etc. This then would be a method of explaining the varying levels and strengths of belief across the populace. Further it explains why some are willing to choose tolerance on many issues but still keep to objective values. The problem is not like light switch, it’s a range of values.

Looking at the number of ‘nones’ and newly de-converted atheists we can hypothesize that this failure can be induced by environment and corrected over time by adjustment of the rules – either by slow nudging of values or dramatic fast paced realignment of a person’s rules. It is also possible that the rules can’t be fixed due to physical damage or incorrect functioning that prevents some part of the brain from getting the weight that it needs for the rules to fully adjust to ‘normal’ as we tend to see it.

The take away is that observation seems to support the theory that small physical problems can cause behavioral anomalies. Anomalies such as many of us view religious belief.

Think about the aberrational behavior patterns we see in people strongly related to the church. Maybe you’ll get the same understanding that I have.

 

 

So Much Said, So Few Words Used

“If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon
  their young into an artificial conformity;
but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth,
irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences.”
    – H. P. Lovecraft –

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New Math And “The Problem”

It doesn’t matter how you add this up, these stories sum as in indictment of religions. Primarily the big three monotheistic, Abrahamic religions. Sure, sure. You can argue that there are pedophiles, rapists, thieves, and abusers everywhere and in all communities. I suppose there will always be some small percentage of humanity which is wont to be such ways. The trouble here is that these people are operating within and behind the protection of a community of people which claims the high road on morality, which claims to ‘KNOW’ god and his morals.

Statistically we shouldn’t be surprised that these types of people are religious. In the US about 70% of all criminals should be religious. In Islamic countries generally 95% or more are religious, or should be. The problem being that religions claim to keep adherents on the straight and narrow path. The news is increasingly filled with stories of failed theists. It seems every day that there is another horror story of a cleric gone bad. It happens in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. This god of Abraham seems to be nothing more than a scam or con.

Yes, you can tell me that they aren’t true believers but the rest of us can’t tell them apart from other ‘believers’ and apparently neither can you or the real believers till they get caught. No matter what you claim this religion stuff does’t seem to work. There haven’t been any supposed miracles for 2000 years or more and that praying for the church doesn’t seem to protect it from the very clerics who run it. Clearly belief, prayer, nor even scholarly endeavors can protect the faithful from the faithful.

 

 

A question for the believers out there: Knowing stuff like can be found in the news, why would I need to get involved in your religion or faith? Clearly it doesn’t work any better than sleeping in on Sundays does. Oh, I forgot, god helped you find your keys… but he didn’t have time to stop the preacher from raping your niece…. makes sense!

 

 

 

 

Here’s To Moderate Aunt Jane… Bless Her

Moderate religion? No thank you. Isn’t that like moderate paedophilia? Maybe it’s like being just a little pregnant?

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That God That Wasn’t There

While I’m trying to work on a couple of “involved” posts, one of which will be Free Will part 5, here’s something to think about. The amount of effort that would be required to squirm around all of what is presented would make any apologist look like a blithering idiot. Still, they try. Sisyphus anyone?

Are You Guilty?

In the USA there are lots of people who still discriminate against GLBTQ members of society. No, they don’t make them use different bathrooms or sit in the back of the bus but there are situations which happen every day that show discrimination is loud and clear to this group of people.

 

 

Outside of raging bigots, the main support for discrimination against GLBTQ people is from adherents of monotheistic religions. I get flack from time to time for stating that even calm, mild, happy, liberal Christians are just as bad as the fundamentalists. The story of Amanda Brown’s Fathers is exactly what I’m talking about. There are far too many people who act inhumane to these groups. There are far too many people who are simply bigots to these groups. These inhumane bigots feel justified in their in/actions because of their monotheistic religious beliefs. That’s right. Mild mannered aunt Jane is an inhumane bigot. Maybe she doesn’t appear that way when you’re around her, but give her a chance to act on that bigotry and you see what happens?

That’s right. Kindly aunt Jane worries about the homosexual agenda when the only real agenda is that of monotheistic religions to oppress GLBTQ people. If anyone wants to give me flack for that stance they had better be calling the Kansas City Mo Police Chief and emailing/writing to the Police Chief their concerns and outrage at the very poor way their officers handled this situation. If you are liberal monotheist and think you’re not part of the problem, you’d better be speaking out in support of these loving husbands. If you’re not religious and think secular and faith communities can work together you’d better be all over this making sure your faith-y friends are speaking up in support of these loving husbands.

I’m sick and tired of being told that I’m negative and then having to read about news stories like this. I’m on the right side of history here. Bookmark this article and others like it. When the apologists and accommodationists talk about working together – show them these articles and tell them their work is cut out for them. They need to get off their bibles and out in the world stopping this kind of bigotry and hate from ruining the lives of others.

That’s right – mild aunt Jane is a bigot and if you’re not going to tell her, I will. Take this opportunity to break the news to her in a kindly manner. She _IS_ going to be told.

On The Topic Of Religion…

When people talk about religion they talk about a lot of things. The more moderate the beliefs of someone are, the more they are willing to tolerate differing beliefs. They will even tolerate a deistic notion of god. As long as you believe they are willing to work with you and despite thinking you are wrong they will not oppose you directly because you have one thing in your favor – you believe the one big lie. You believe in a god. They will even justify your differences as a different view of the one god… as long as you believe the big lie like they do. Fundamentalists won’t tolerate any such nonsense, for them you must believe as they do or you are ‘of the devil’ and destined to return to hell. Even if you’re minding your own business, fundamentalists will find you. If you’re gay, just different, or can be called a witch, they’ll have you killed.

Both the fundamentalists and the more liberal groups are equally offensive. The fundamentalists are clearly offensive. We need only look at the Westboro Baptist Church to understand this. There is not much doubt that these groups are hate group which offend the very nature of being human. The real problem is the liberal believers. Their belief and behavior is much more tolerable, no doubt. The problem comes in two parts:

  1. They are tolerant of fundamentalists
  2. They teach the big lie to their children and support those that want the big lie taught in schools

Yes, it IS a lie.

 

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When you tell a story that you know you have no evidence for and that there is plenty of contrary evidence then what you are doing is lying. It does not matter that “your heart is in the right place” … what you are doing is teaching a lie. You are subverting the truth.  Excusing yourself because you think it does no harm is yet another lie.

We didn’t see believers protesting at the trials of those parents that did nothing but pray as their children lay dying of preventable medical conditions. That’s right. All those liberal believers also think those parents behaved in a criminal way. Deep in their psyche they know that prayer does not work. Whether they admit it or not they know that belief on it’s own is no explanation and causes harm. They know there is no evidence for their god. They just don’t want to admit it. It’s much nicer to hide under the covers and stay comfy rather than acknowledge that the house is on fire.

I encourage everyone to focus their discussions of and about religion on one simple topic: truth

If the discussion is not about truth and fact then it is completely wrong… or close enough to completely wrong.

Liberal belief is not better or less harmful or more tolerable. It’s just as wrong as bat shit crazy bible thumping hate mongering fundamentalism. I don’t care if they tell the lie nicer. It’s still a lie. The harm it does may not be immediate, but it is just as certain, just as lethal.

The Single Most Important Lesson For Any Human:

When you are faced with a question or puzzle or quandary, the single most important lessen that you can have learned in life is this:

When you are not certain of the answer or solution, say ‘I don’t know’ the answer/solution.

The second most important lesson is that the result of the first should be quickly followed with one of the following:

  • But we can look it up
  • I have a friend who does this stuff, lets call them
  • but we can do some experiments
  • Lets try to work out how this does work
  • ask “does it come with instructions?”
  • I can figure this out, here, hold my beer
  • Wait, maybe my wife knows…. honey …..

Seriously, if you don’t know do not pretend you do and if you don’t know, go fucking find out! What’s wrong with you?

Yeah, sure. If the question is ‘how do you do brain surgery’ some of those answers might not be available to you… so in such cases when your lips move, the noise they make should sound incredibly like ‘I do not know how they do that’.

God did it is an incredibly obtuse thing to say. We all too often let people off the hook for their real crime because we’re busy fighting the god did it fires. The real crime here is that some human insisted that they know something that they do not. That is what should get smacked down. Bash on the stupid, in the order that it occurs. First bash on the human that made that mistake of not being able to say I do not know, THEN and only then bash on the argument they used. At that point you should have license to bash on their choice of footwear for the day or anything else. Be my guest.

UPDATE

Reader Holly wrote:

Well said. A willingness to embrace the mystery…is a plus as well.

phase two should be the ability to accept mistakes and failures and not need atoning blood to wash them away…learning to become comfortablle with our very humaness. :)

I could not agree more. Thanks Holly

How Far Away Was Yesterday Tomorrow?

On my page ‘When Religion Dies’ I wrote about the death throws of religion. At the time it seemed like that is what we would be seeing for a while. I didn’t know then that it was the beginning of an avalanche of anti-theism. Let’s be honest, the rise of the nones is anti-theistic. In the doctrines of theism, if you are not with them you’re against them. I did not anticipate the The Clergy Project, the rise of the ‘nones’, the sheer number of blogs and youtubers, the number of anti-theist books and on and on.

Today I got a comment on this page:

Brave post.

I replied: It would have been brave a decade previous, today not so much
Not to you and me, but a lot of others still can’t speak out loud their truth about religion. But, absolutely, we’ve come a long way. Thank you.

This made me think. I replied: It is still often enough more convenient to use pseudonyms than real names, but at least people are speaking out now. When I first thought I might be atheist, I couldn’t name one other person that I knew was an atheist except for Madeline Murray O’Hare. Now I can name dozens, visit with them, drink with them, laugh with them, and talk freely with them.

I find that an inspirational statement, if you think about it. In just my lifetime, the world has changed that much. Then I got this:

Yes, with regards to what you just wrote, that is true. I was referring to people speaking out about their real feelings about religion and their religion in general, all the conditioning that says it’s a faux pas. My religious views are something I tend to keep to myself, outside of proclaiming I’m an advocate for tolerance and believe in kindness and acceptance for all. Thanks for the great conversation.

To me, this validates as necessary all the blogging and youtube videos and books and even the vitriol that we’ve witnessed in the past couple of years. So despite what might be found in the open letter included below, speak, read, write, talk, communicate. The only way to lose the right to be non-theistic is to not use that right. Clearly there are a growing number of people that would like to tell you how to use it. Not me. I won’t tell you how to. Just fucking use it!

If you can’t blog, make you a ‘God Hates Fags’ sign and cut the bottom third off of it… walk around speakers corner with that if it’s all you feel comfortable doing. Activism has no rules. Atheism has no rules. Anti-theism has no rules.

If you want to be a humanist or whatever, check their rule books. My atheism doesn’t have any!

An Open Letter to the Secular Community

April 2, 2013

The leaders of major secular organizations have issued a united call for more civility in online discussions, pledging to use their best efforts to improve the tone and substance of such discussions. The entire letter can be found on our website. Ronald A. Lindsay, president & CEO for the Center for Inquiry, and Tom Flynn, executive director of the Council for Secular Humanism, are signatories to the letter.

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An Open Letter to the Secular Community

It is an amazing time to be part of the secular movement. Look at what’s happened in 2012 alone.  We held the Reason Rally, the largest event our community has ever had, which brought over 20,000 atheists, humanists, and other secular people together on the National Mall. We are growing, attracting new people, and drawing more attention than ever before.  A big part of that growth is thanks to our large and dynamic online community.  Online secular communities have helped people encounter new ideas, deepen and broaden their thinking, and even change their minds.

A Problem with Online Communication

At the same time, the fact that so much of our community is online brings with it certain challenges.  Communicating primarily online can make it difficult to recognize each other’s humanity. Online we don’t have the same vocal and physical cues to tell us what another person means by his or her comments, so it’s easier for misunderstandings to develop. The instantaneous and impersonal nature of online communication also makes it much easier for these misunderstandings to escalate, or for civil arguments to turn into bitter fights. Like many online communities, our comment and forum threads all too often become places for name calling and even threats, rather than honest dialogue based on mutual respect. Between the small but vocal number of abusive participants (often called “trolls”) who hurl threats and insults, and the overheated rhetoric of some ordinarily friendly and reasonable people, our online environment is in danger of turning toxic. Fortunately, our secular values of reason and compassion give us tools to rise above the lowest common denominator of online communication.

Our Position and Our Pledge

We, the leaders of the undersigned national secular organizations, pledge to make our best efforts toward improving the tone and substance of online discussions. The secular movement as a whole is friendly, welcoming, and committed to the use of reason and evidence as a means of resolving disagreements. We refuse to allow the deplorable conduct of a few to debase the reasonable, appropriate, and respectful conduct of the overwhelming majority of our community.

We seek to promote productive debate and discussion. We firmly believe open and candid discussion is the most reliable means of resolving differences of opinion and bringing about needed change.

Insults, slurs, expressions of hatred, and threats undermine our shared values of open and candid discussion because they move us away from an exchange of views supported with reasons.

Of course we will disagree with each other on some issues, but we can do a better job of expressing our disagreements. We can resolve to avoid mischaracterizing the positions of others, relying on rumors as the basis for our opinions, and using inappropriate tactics such as guilt by association. Instead, we can give one another the benefit of the doubt, strive to understand the whole story, and de-escalate rhetoric to foster more productive discussions. We can become better at disagreeing by treating each other like reasonable human beings.

It takes patience to educate people, but we can change how people think by having a constructive dialogue.  If that weren’t the case, we wouldn’t bother in the first place to communicate online about important issues.

The Debate over Sexism and Feminism

Before listing some specific recommendations regarding improvement of online communications, we have observations about one particular set of interrelated issues that has engaged much of the secular community in the past year, namely sexism within the secular movement, the appropriate way to interpret feminism, and the extent to which feminism, however interpreted, should influence the conduct, policies, and goals of movement organizations. This set of issues is worthy of careful consideration, but in a few areas our positions should be very clear.

The principle that women and men should have equal rights flows from our core values as a movement. Historically, there has been a close connection between traditional religion and suppression of women, with dogma and superstition providing the rationale for depriving women of fundamental rights. In promoting science and secularism, we are at the same time seeking to secure the dignity of all individuals. We seek not only civil equality for everyone, regardless of sex, but an end to discriminatory social structures and conventions – again often the legacy of our religious heritage—that limit opportunities for both women and men.

Unfortunately, the discussion of these issues has suffered from the same problems that plague online discussion in general—although arguably to a greater extent.  Some blogs and comments actually exhibit hatred, including rape threats and insults denigrating women. Hatred has no place in our movement. We unequivocally and unreservedly condemn those who resort to communicating in such a vile and despicable manner.

Our Approach

Here are some things that we plan to do to make our online secular community a place where we can exchange ideas and views instead of insults.  We hope that others may also find this approach useful.

  • Moderate blogs and forums.
    Any organization or individual engaged in blogging or administering a forum has an obligation to moderate comments. Slurs, threats, and so forth beget more of the same. Keeping our online spaces free of these elements creates a civil climate that makes it much easier for people to engage issues productively.
  • Go offline before going online: pick up the phone. 
    When you hear that an organization or member of our community is doing something that you think is wrong or bad for the community, call and talk with them, find out what they are actually doing and why they are doing it.  If you don’t have a phone number, send a private email and arrange a time to talk.  So much of the time there’s more to the story, and talking to another person on the other side of the issue can help us more fully understand the situation.  Plus, a phone call makes it easier for people who are making mistakes to change course, because they aren’t on the defensive as they would be after being called out publicly.
  • Listen more.
    We miss the nuances and differences within “the other side” once an issue becomes polarized, while continuing to see our side as filled with nuance and distinctions.  There is a tendency to stop listening and treat everyone associated with an opposing position as a monolithic group. People can be painted with views that aren’t their own just because they may disagree with some aspects of your own position. We should listen more so we can see distinctions among those with opposing views and start to move toward a more accurate understanding of the issues rather than being deadlocked into two entrenched camps.
  • Dial down the drama.
    It’s tempting to overuse inflammatory and derogatory rhetoric. It gets attention. We should be cautious about using this tactic within our community because of the long-term damage it does to relationships and morale. When critiquing people within our community, everyone should remember that our goal is to persuade our allies to see our perspective and modify their opinions. Insults don’t change opinions; they harden them.
  • Be more charitable.
    We should remember that the purpose of argument within our community is to come to shared and correct conclusions that move us forward, not to score points against the opposing side. To that end, we should apply the principle of charity, which tells us to aim our argument against the best interpretation of the opposing arguments rather than picking off weaker versions. By applying the principle of charity we will elevate the discussion so we’re actually talking about our real differences, not just engaging in a pointless exchange.
  • Trust but verify.
    Before we believe and repost something we see, we should ask ourselves about the evidence provided and the context. It’s easy for multiple people saying the same thing to look like a lot of evidence, but if their statements are all based on the same original source, they do not constitute independent verification. We should look for the original data and corroboration from independent sources before believing and spreading claims.
  • Help others along.
    We should remember that we weren’t born knowing the things we know now. To get to the reasoned conclusions that we’ve reached, we learned by reading, thinking, and talking with others. When we encounter someone espousing a view we think is based on lack of knowledge or experience, we should remember that we have all held ill-informed views. We should cultivate patience and try to educate instead of condemn.

By improving our online culture, we can make this movement a place that engages, fulfills, and welcomes a growing number and increasing diversity of secular people.

Sincerely,

David Silverman, President, American Atheists
Rebecca Hale, President, American Humanist Association
Roy Speckhardt, Executive Director, American Humanist Association
Chuck VonDerAhe, President, Atheist Alliance of America
Richard Haynes, President, Atheist Nexus
Ayanna Watson, CEO, Black Atheists of America, Inc.
Mandisa L. Thomas, President, Black Nonbelievers, Inc.
Mynga Futrell, for Brights Central, at The Brights’ Net
Amanda Metskas, Executive Director, Camp Quest
Ronald Lindsay, President and CEO, Center for Inquiry
Tom Flynn, Executive Director, The Council for Secular Humanism
Jan Meshon, President, FreeThoughtAction
Joseph McDaniel Stewart, Vice President, FreeThoughtAction
Margaret Downey, Founder and President, Freethought Society
D.J. Grothe, President, James Randi Educational Foundation
Stuart Jordan, President, Institute for Science and Human Values
Jason Torpy, President, Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers
R. Elisabeth Cornwell, Executive Director, Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Edwina Rogers, Executive Director, Secular Coalition for America
August E. Brunsman IV, Executive Director, Secular Student Alliance
Todd Stiefel, President, Stiefel Freethought Foundation
Fred Edwords, National Director, United Coalition of Reason

TomTom – This Is Sparta!

TomTomPiper celebrates 300 subs with a thought that is awesome. Enjoy, subscribe to his channel.

 

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